Sometimes things can get out of hand, its sad, but this is going way out of hand.

Published on October 20, 2004 By Styl-X Design In WinCustomize Talk

Ok listen up all.

I find this really dissapointing.
If I upload a skin I want it to be judged on its qualities and NOT on me.

What did I do wrong? Tell me please? I was a regular here, had the time of my live on this site with its great people but seriously, what the fuck are you guys trying to do? get the fun out of skinning for me?

Skindicate?
Dangeruss and treetog? Dangeruss was ok with it... treetog wasn't,
WHEN I SENDED TREETOG ANOTHER EMAIL ABOUT THE SUBJECT HE DIDN'T FIND IT IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO ANSWER IT
In that case, I will just decide on my own.
They have never done any commercial thing. You wouldn't hear me complaining if somebody would start using styl skinner as its busines. And then that name has been an active username of me and their name is only.... A NAME.
They aren't active with it anymore, have no copyrights on it, have no trademarks on it... well, too bad then.

OK so this is what I am trying to say:
I love wincustomize, its a great site with great people. I know some of you don't agree with me but can we please act normal so I can atleast share my work here.... or do I have to go over to DA and just leave WC allone? Tell me, because if I stay I do want a little bit of respect and not every skin I upload to get a -2.

And how the hell can somebody go from Master Apprentice to Apprentice? explain that too please.

Comments (Page 2)

Erk.

on Oct 20, 2004

*sigh*

...yup

again!

[Message Edited]

digital_trucker

on Oct 20, 2004

I'd say that skin's rating IS based on it's overall quality. Note Essencay's comments...

craeonics

on Oct 20, 2004

Hmm, discrepancies:

1) "What did I do wrong? [...] get the fun out of skinning for me?"

2) "WHEN I SENDED TREETOG ANOTHER EMAIL ABOUT THE SUBJECT HE DIDN'T FIND IT IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO ANSWER IT"

...versus:

3) "but can we please act normal"

#1 is a whine, #2 is a whine, all caps and an unwarranted assumption. Normal?

I'd say someone needs to take a chill pill and reread what he wrote before posting.

By the way, you can't "copyright" names.

If "The Skindicate" wasn't used professionally, you are free to use it. However, by doing so, you would show great disdain for 'tog and skindom in general.

Keila

on Oct 20, 2004

Two things. I read this before I even looked at the skin. Now knowing it is a Beta, Styl, what do you expect. an unfinished skin is an unfinished skin. Have you never noticed authors getting comment and lower rating for forgetting to add or skin something. Uploading a skin that is knowing incomplete is just wrong and does not deserve a good rating if even a rating at all.

Secondly, your swearing in your opening comment should have had this thread deleted or at least locked from the get go. You cannot sit and complain about not getting respect when you severely lack in give it.

Frogboy

on Oct 20, 2004

I haven't been following the controversy.

But I did rate the skin very low (2 out of 10).

I have nothing against Styl Skinner. In fact, I made no note of who made the skin when i rated it.

I downloaded it and it was very obviously incomplete in some pretty basic ways. So my rating reflected that.

Jafo

on Oct 20, 2004

Yes....any incomplete skin will attract low ratings...as this one has.

Issues of name-use/plagiarism would attract an alternative censure method.

I see little future for anyone in taking the user name of a fellow Wincustomize.com site administrator and expect to be able to promote such on this very same site.

KarmaGirl

on Oct 20, 2004

If "The Skindicate" wasn't used professionally,

It was. In 2001. If Dangeruss and crew wanted to be nasty (which I doubt that they would be because they are very nice and ethical people) they could claim trademark rights to it as they used it professionally and could prove their use much earlier.

But, that is neither here nor there, because that is really a skindicate vs skindicate issue. However, the main issue is that a really incomplete beta skin was uploaded. Why not just wait until it was finished before submitting? It has nothing to do with who you are, the skin is *very* incomplete, so that is why is has a low rating.

pjpowell

on Oct 20, 2004

Skindicate?Dangeruss and treetog? Dangeruss was ok with it... treetog wasn't, WHEN I SENDED TREETOG ANOTHER EMAIL ABOUT THE SUBJECT HE DIDN'T FIND IT IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO ANSWER ITIn that case, I will just decide on my own.

Can you clarify something for me? Did Treetog originally say no to using Skindicate for your commercial venture?

If so why do you think he will change his mind if you email him? If he's already said no and he doesn't subsequently email to say yes then take it that the original answer still stands.

To me this is no different than someone emailing to ask if they can port someones skin and getting no response. It doesn't mean they are OK with you porting and in the same way it doesn't mean he's ok with using the name.

In addition you are essentially trying to set yourself up as commercial competition to his company using and old name that is partially associated with him.

Now I wonder why he might not want to give you the name...

Koasati

on Oct 20, 2004

#9 by Skinner Styl skinner - 10/20/2004 5:46:37 AM
Well, I can see some points, first of all, I don't think TGT Soft is a bunch of thieves... I think they are a client. But lets keep them out of this.

I guess you wouldn't see TGT Soft as thieves, since you seem to practice the same methods. Taking something, created by another, and claiming it as your own..... Tell me, if that's not stealing, what is it?

UzEE

on Oct 20, 2004

Its very anoying if you try to set up something new but at the same time you are just being ignored, or something that looks like it.

Hey i get that All the time, I never Complain.

What did I do wrong? Tell me please? I was a regular here, had the time of my live on this site with its great people but seriously, what the f*** are you guys trying to do? get the fun out of skinning for me?

Watch the language. Try Some Respect. And Change that name

UzEE

on Oct 20, 2004

If you think that your personel Respect has an affect on your skin rating than Your Wrong. Even I Got a skin of 10 and few over 7 with MY Respect.

CerebroJD

on Oct 20, 2004

Thats awesome!

Hus

on Oct 20, 2004

If you look on your website, (aside from the site and logo being a knock-off of The Skins Factory), your name is a mix-up between "Skindustrie" and "Skindicate". If you refer to your 'company' as "Skindustrie" half of the time, why not stop using the Skindicate name and use SKINDUSTRIE. It's a perfectly good name, and you won't catch so much flak over it.

So why do you insist on being so stubborn about it? Are you TRYING to lose what little credability you had? Do you want to be a "pro skinner", this really isn't the way to go about it. I get the feeling that you're young, immature and inexperienced. Well that, and you upload unfinished work.

I suggest you change your name, read Essencay's comments, fix what's broken...and try put this whole thing behind you. If you keep it up, you will never EVER expect to be liked and respected.

My 2 cents...

Essencay

on Oct 20, 2004

Someone please tell me that we are dealing with a child here. That this stubborness of Styl's is adolescent naivete and not the behavior of an adult. Either way Styl, I think you have burnt too many bridges with folks in this community, many of whom, who would have bent over backwards to help you with advice, counselling, knowledge and more. I can't think of one person, before you blatantly ignored them, the first time, then the second time and now a third time, who wouldn't have helped you in some way to get your venture rolling if they could. I believe you are out of chances. Go back and reread the other threads and this one. If you still feel the way you do about how this community has treated you....that you didn't bring this all down on yourself, well then have a good life.

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Chickie

on Oct 20, 2004

Change your name & create new skins. Finish the Styl skin. Just move on. Stop acting like a toddler.

Nuff said.

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